Episode 513 Thoughts (spoilers)
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shadownycEpisode 513 Thoughts (spoilers)
Here it is--as promised:
I must start out with clarifying some information about my thoughts:
• I am a devout B/J shipper, but I try not to let that color my commentaries, however B/J fans will probably like my slant on this episode—please read through (I know it’s long) to see if you agree or disagree with my conclusions
• I watched this episode several times and spent a great deal of time thinking about this very intense finale
• I do care about all the QAF characters
• I consider the Lesbians as more of supporting cast rather than stars, primarily due to the repetitive and overall bland story arcs they have been given throughout the series
• I hope to develop a commentary of the overall series and look forward to sharing this with all of you within the next week.
Now onto my commentary for the series finale…
The wonderful Kelly Makin directed this very important finale episode. I have noticed that whenever I seem to find an episode stand out for quality directing and editing it is usually Kelly Makin who is credited with the direction. As with each prior season, Cowlip have taken on the responsibility of writing the final episode. I thought the episode as a whole was quite good, but I needed to watch it more than once to come to this conclusion. The dialogue was quite good and continued to reflect the theme of boys to men, and on several occasions brought back memories of prior episodes and prior seasons to demonstrate that growth.
I was pleased to hear the Michael voice-over at the opening of the episode and had hoped that we would also end with that. This would truly bring the series full-circle. The overhead camera angles during the voice over were very creative and made a smooth transition to the scene at the tailor’s. I loved that as with episode 314, Patrick Antosh (costume designer for QAF) was once again present with a clothing related walk-on. This scene was so lovely between Brian and Justin and the look of awe on Brian’s face brought back thoughts of the prom. Now Brian is able to verbalize his feelings about Justin’s appearance in his Tux. I may be reading too much into the incredible emotion displayed by Brian in this scene, but I immediately thought of the fact that Justin didn’t remember how he looked in his Tux for the prom, while it must have stirred mixed memories for Brian. The mirror image that goes on infinitely, thanks once again to Kelly Makin’s directing, demonstrates the nature of Brian & Justin’s connection. If we haven’t already noticed, these two can not stay apart. They are infinitely connected souls.
The next stop is the Novotny-Bruckner household as Ben & Michael learn of Hunter’s secret wish to be their “real” son. We are also introduced to the concept of Michael being used as the new poster boy for Stop Prop 14. More on that later.
I’m “Sister Mary Go-Fuck-Yourself” retorts Emmett to Ted in the gym. Emmett sees Tad for who he really is but Ted isn’t ready to see Tad’s true colors. Following the debacle at the stag party between Tad and Ted, Ted’s eyes are wide opened. However, unlike Ted’s prior behavior throughout the series, the new, more mature Ted does not accept Tad back into his life when he returns, acting as if nothing happened. Tad states, “I’m still the same person” [that Ted loved] to Ted’s telling response, “Well I’m not”. I believe this is the demonstration of Ted’s self-confidence growth curve. He is not the same doormat he used to be and has no intention of backsliding despite the temptation to do so.
As we move on to Brian’s first presentation to Remsen & his obnoxious female associate, despite the quality of Brian’s ad suggestions, he presents them with a watered-down, milk toast attitude. His usual fervor has disappeared and he is too focused on pleasing others. His sacrifices in his personal life—particularly for Justin--are spilling over into his professional domain.
The cute little scene with Justin helping Linds & Mel pack served a few simple purposes--the first being to once again liken the Lesbians’ move to that of European immigrants (like Mel’s grandfather) to North America almost a century earlier. The second seems to demonstrate that Justin still has a connection to these special friends/family independent of Brian’s connection to them and finally it introduces the concept that Justin still has the option to “decide to pack your bags and leave” as Mel jokingly foreshadows. The entire move to Canada bothers me on many levels. It is virtually impossible to gain permission to relocate in such a short amount of time, the move still smacks of irrational alarmism (why not wait until Prop 14 is voted on) and it alludes to the fact that Canada is a panacea with no prejudice (if that were only the case).
When Justin arrives back at the loft to see Brian’s new, bland campaign for Remsen’s new erectile dysfunction remedy he is clearly confused by the subdued Brian he sees both in the loft and at the subsequent stag party. While Justin is playful, Brian is practically lethargic and remains so despite the manly enticements at his stag party. Despite the hilarious, innuendo-laden toast that his friends impart, Brian laughs quietly and doesn’t offer any of his usual snarky retorts.
The scene between Brian and Gus was adorable. Gale Harold has always seemed quite comfortable and natural with any of the babies who have played Gus throughout the series. Once again, Mel offers the anvil for those didn’t already realize that Justin is possibly sacrificing his career potential by not going to pursue his career in the center of the art world in NYC while he is hot on the heels of the magazine critique of his work.
The diner scene with Deb & Hunter is sweet and it’s fun watching grandma & Hunter connecting on a variety of levels. Ted & Emmett discussing the dissolution of his most recent relationship demonstrates the complete return of these two to their former glory as best friends—although I was lulled into thinking that there were signs of a possible rekindling of the romance between these two. However that was cleared up later in the episode with the surprise arrival of Blake. I thought Emmett’s reference to the parakeet scene in “Whatever Happened to Baby Jane” was funny because a similar reference was made by Darrin in ep. 402, when Justin brings him food after the bashing. Cowlip must really be hung up on that film.
In the elegant restaurant where Michael & Brian reminisce about their history it is clear that Brian’s flame is nearly extinguished. His demeanor is that of someone who is sad and low rather than someone anticipating a major, positive life-changing event. Michael’s references to growing up get the response of “inevitable” by Brian who seems to have given up on all fun and excitement in his life. Michael’s admittance of his former attraction/crush on Brian is the final moment where there is no longer a question that these two will NEVER be a couple. Michael changing his order to wine signifies his equality to Brian as a mature and independent adult. He is no longer the drooling follower to leader Brian—he is his comrade.
At the Human Rights rally Michael sees the writing on the wall when his mother and friends are moved to the back of the room to surrender their seats to “stepford gays”. Discarding the speech prepared for him, as he did with his own speech in ep. 206 when he addressed Ben’s class, he expounds upon the virtues of diversity—even within a minority group. While this is another one of Cowlip’s soapbox moments, I liked what was said so it didn’t turn me off. I felt Michael saying the words from his heart as he did so long ago in ep. 206. The facial expression on Ben more than mirrored that same parallel scene when he fell in love with Michael over 2 ½ years ago.
The now infamous B/J dissolve the wedding plans scene played out much more palatable than I thought it would. The progression of the obvious over-sacrificing of these two men—each to make the other happy comes to a head (no pun intended). As always they communicate best in their bed, but this time they have both matured enough to use honest words. Neither tries to push the other over cliff. For the first time that I can remember in the series they have a somewhat lengthy discussion and speak freely and openly with one another. Their decision to cancel the wedding is clearly one that stems from a mutual, loving compromise.
Our final stop at the ever-present diner lets us share the moment when Ben & Michael ask Hunter if he would like to be their “real” son. This is a sweet scene and I love the affection that Michael demonstrates towards Hunter upon his acceptance of the offer. Michael’s desire to be the father that he wishes he had is played out beautifully and believably. This is no surprise, since during ep. 115 it was Michael who connected with David Cameron’s son more than David.
The rehearsal dinner (evidenced by the “Good-bye QAF” special) appears to be the last scene filmed. I was thrilled to see Daphne—I thought she had run away from Pittsburg. While the announcement of the wedding cancellation would seem like a disaster, the two former grooms finally seem to be genuinely happy and satisfied for the first time in this episode. I thought that the water buffalo gift from the lesbians was a hilarious throw-back to Justin’s suggestion for a wedding gift for them in ep. 211. “Lesbians love endangered species.”
Brian’s newfound resolve to discontinue sacrificing himself for others seems to have renewed his self-assured, bold and brazen nature. In his second meeting with Remsen & associate, he challenges the client to leave rather than follow through on an ad campaign that he is sure will fail. He also reassures us that it’s still “all about sex”, despite the fact that we know that for Brian love is also a new component.
The scene in which the lesbians discuss their memories in their home is as boring as it could possibly be. The only moment of interest was watching Brian demand their presence in the kitchen at the Bris.
At the ski lodge I would have bet at the beginning of the scene that we would see the renewal of Temmett—thank God we were spared. IMO these two play much better as friends than lovers. Blake’s timely arrival as Ted’s birthday gift was great. I always liked these two together and now it seems that their timing may finally be perfect. The surprise entrance of Calvin Culpepper from Hazlehurst at first seemed ridiculous until I thought about some of the issues that Cowlip might try to be bringing forth in the final moments of QAF. It suddenly dawned on me that Emmett was one of those kids that had felt isolated being gay in rural America. As Debbie said to Justin in ep. 116, “Sunshine, gay kids are everywhere, they’re just afraid to show their faces.” Here was the proof that they are not really alone.
The farewell to the Lesbians was the first time that I found myself crying during the episode. (Although many previous scenes brought a lump to my throat I was able to control the waterworks.) While I really didn’t care for the storyline or that the lesbians were moving the expressions and emotions expressed by Michael and especially Brian towards their children’s imminent departure was overwhelming. The most significant moment was when Brian says “good-bye SON”. This is the first time in the entire series that Brian has not used the term “sonny-boy”. He now accepts that he can be a good father and not repeat the mistakes of his own father who he has mimicked all throughout the series with his use of the term “sonny-boy”.
Brian & Justin’s final moments together in loft continually brought tears to my eyes. The messages these two send to one another with a look or a small phrase are beautiful. I have no idea if Cowlip could have predicted the amazing chemistry between Randy & Gale, but they certainly carried the intense emotion of QAF for 5 seasons. When Brian told Justin that he had become “the best homosexual you could possibly be” I was taken aback by the instant flashbacks to the growth these two characters had achieved as individuals and as a couple over the years. I believe Justin’s declaration of his commitment to continue staying connected to Brian was sincere and Brian’s response was to say anything to let Justin know that if he can’t follow through he would understand. Justin’s discovery of the rings, conveniently left where they would certainly be seen is the assurance Justin needs that Brian still loves and wants him in his life despite the fact that they will have to carry on with a long distance relationship for the time being. These two souls are truly united for eternity. The infinite view of them in the tailor’s mirror sends that message to the viewer. Kelly Makin directed one of the most, if not the most, beautiful love making scenes between Brian and Justin. The tenderness portrayed is evident and the love transcends their unspoken words. Lying together as their tears and sweat are so intermingled that we can not tell the difference, they seal themselves tightly together with a passionate embrace meant to last as long as they may find necessary. The image of Brian left alone and naked demonstrates the ability for him to now let in the pain that almost always accompanies the joy of feeling love. He is laid out naked for all to view. I firmly believe the message to viewers is that these two will always return to one another. Brian and Justin are kindred spirits and permanent separation, by demonstration through the seasons, is impossible. They survived separations due to bashing, Ethan and Hollywood—NYC seems tame by comparison to these earlier situations. They ALWAYS find their way back together.
Michael forces Brian to leave his self-imposed exile from the world by bringing him to Babylon. Dan Lipman has been quoted as comparing the final scenes to the series with “Gone With the Wind”. Having not seen any screeners, this comparison seemed self-inflating. After viewing the episode I did see one reasonable similarity to the end of “Gone With the Wind”. Scarlet shall go on and tomorrow will bring a new, fresh outlook for the future (in which she clearly intends to recapture her Rhett), by gaining her strength from Tara. Rather than referring to Justin’s sad departure, I now realize the comparison was referring to the fact that Brian Kinney gets his strength from Babylon. When Michael reprises, “You’ll always be young and you’ll always be beautiful --you’re Brian Kinney for fuck sake” and “some things aren’t meant to change” Michael is no longer talking about outward beauty and Brian now realizes this. His maturity is the self-awareness that he is worth loving and as the song states he deserves to be “Proud”.
The final sparkling dance scenes are reminiscent to curtain calls in the theater. We see Emmett, Ted and their dates then by way of Michael’s loving gaze we see Ben awaiting his man’s arrival. Then we focus on Michael’s good-bye kiss to Brian as he goes into Ben’s arms and finally we are left with the King of Liberty Avenue who still reigns supreme as he stands tall and self-assured. As the curtain falls Michael’s voice-over reminds us that the beat of the gay heart and soul, the “thumpa-thumpa continues”.
I loved the brief moment in Babylon at the end of the credits with the five friends embracing—especially Peter hugging Gale (and I do believe that it was the actors hugging, not the characters).
Here it is--as promised:
I must start out with clarifying some information about my thoughts:
• I am a devout B/J shipper, but I try not to let that color my commentaries, however B/J fans will probably like my slant on this episode—please read through (I know it’s long) to see if you agree or disagree with my conclusions
• I watched this episode several times and spent a great deal of time thinking about this very intense finale
• I do care about all the QAF characters
• I consider the Lesbians as more of supporting cast rather than stars, primarily due to the repetitive and overall bland story arcs they have been given throughout the series
• I hope to develop a commentary of the overall series and look forward to sharing this with all of you within the next week.
Now onto my commentary for the series finale…
The wonderful Kelly Makin directed this very important finale episode. I have noticed that whenever I seem to find an episode stand out for quality directing and editing it is usually Kelly Makin who is credited with the direction. As with each prior season, Cowlip have taken on the responsibility of writing the final episode. I thought the episode as a whole was quite good, but I needed to watch it more than once to come to this conclusion. The dialogue was quite good and continued to reflect the theme of boys to men, and on several occasions brought back memories of prior episodes and prior seasons to demonstrate that growth.
I was pleased to hear the Michael voice-over at the opening of the episode and had hoped that we would also end with that. This would truly bring the series full-circle. The overhead camera angles during the voice over were very creative and made a smooth transition to the scene at the tailor’s. I loved that as with episode 314, Patrick Antosh (costume designer for QAF) was once again present with a clothing related walk-on. This scene was so lovely between Brian and Justin and the look of awe on Brian’s face brought back thoughts of the prom. Now Brian is able to verbalize his feelings about Justin’s appearance in his Tux. I may be reading too much into the incredible emotion displayed by Brian in this scene, but I immediately thought of the fact that Justin didn’t remember how he looked in his Tux for the prom, while it must have stirred mixed memories for Brian. The mirror image that goes on infinitely, thanks once again to Kelly Makin’s directing, demonstrates the nature of Brian & Justin’s connection. If we haven’t already noticed, these two can not stay apart. They are infinitely connected souls.
The next stop is the Novotny-Bruckner household as Ben & Michael learn of Hunter’s secret wish to be their “real” son. We are also introduced to the concept of Michael being used as the new poster boy for Stop Prop 14. More on that later.
I’m “Sister Mary Go-Fuck-Yourself” retorts Emmett to Ted in the gym. Emmett sees Tad for who he really is but Ted isn’t ready to see Tad’s true colors. Following the debacle at the stag party between Tad and Ted, Ted’s eyes are wide opened. However, unlike Ted’s prior behavior throughout the series, the new, more mature Ted does not accept Tad back into his life when he returns, acting as if nothing happened. Tad states, “I’m still the same person” [that Ted loved] to Ted’s telling response, “Well I’m not”. I believe this is the demonstration of Ted’s self-confidence growth curve. He is not the same doormat he used to be and has no intention of backsliding despite the temptation to do so.
As we move on to Brian’s first presentation to Remsen & his obnoxious female associate, despite the quality of Brian’s ad suggestions, he presents them with a watered-down, milk toast attitude. His usual fervor has disappeared and he is too focused on pleasing others. His sacrifices in his personal life—particularly for Justin--are spilling over into his professional domain.
The cute little scene with Justin helping Linds & Mel pack served a few simple purposes--the first being to once again liken the Lesbians’ move to that of European immigrants (like Mel’s grandfather) to North America almost a century earlier. The second seems to demonstrate that Justin still has a connection to these special friends/family independent of Brian’s connection to them and finally it introduces the concept that Justin still has the option to “decide to pack your bags and leave” as Mel jokingly foreshadows. The entire move to Canada bothers me on many levels. It is virtually impossible to gain permission to relocate in such a short amount of time, the move still smacks of irrational alarmism (why not wait until Prop 14 is voted on) and it alludes to the fact that Canada is a panacea with no prejudice (if that were only the case).
When Justin arrives back at the loft to see Brian’s new, bland campaign for Remsen’s new erectile dysfunction remedy he is clearly confused by the subdued Brian he sees both in the loft and at the subsequent stag party. While Justin is playful, Brian is practically lethargic and remains so despite the manly enticements at his stag party. Despite the hilarious, innuendo-laden toast that his friends impart, Brian laughs quietly and doesn’t offer any of his usual snarky retorts.
The scene between Brian and Gus was adorable. Gale Harold has always seemed quite comfortable and natural with any of the babies who have played Gus throughout the series. Once again, Mel offers the anvil for those didn’t already realize that Justin is possibly sacrificing his career potential by not going to pursue his career in the center of the art world in NYC while he is hot on the heels of the magazine critique of his work.
The diner scene with Deb & Hunter is sweet and it’s fun watching grandma & Hunter connecting on a variety of levels. Ted & Emmett discussing the dissolution of his most recent relationship demonstrates the complete return of these two to their former glory as best friends—although I was lulled into thinking that there were signs of a possible rekindling of the romance between these two. However that was cleared up later in the episode with the surprise arrival of Blake. I thought Emmett’s reference to the parakeet scene in “Whatever Happened to Baby Jane” was funny because a similar reference was made by Darrin in ep. 402, when Justin brings him food after the bashing. Cowlip must really be hung up on that film.
In the elegant restaurant where Michael & Brian reminisce about their history it is clear that Brian’s flame is nearly extinguished. His demeanor is that of someone who is sad and low rather than someone anticipating a major, positive life-changing event. Michael’s references to growing up get the response of “inevitable” by Brian who seems to have given up on all fun and excitement in his life. Michael’s admittance of his former attraction/crush on Brian is the final moment where there is no longer a question that these two will NEVER be a couple. Michael changing his order to wine signifies his equality to Brian as a mature and independent adult. He is no longer the drooling follower to leader Brian—he is his comrade.
At the Human Rights rally Michael sees the writing on the wall when his mother and friends are moved to the back of the room to surrender their seats to “stepford gays”. Discarding the speech prepared for him, as he did with his own speech in ep. 206 when he addressed Ben’s class, he expounds upon the virtues of diversity—even within a minority group. While this is another one of Cowlip’s soapbox moments, I liked what was said so it didn’t turn me off. I felt Michael saying the words from his heart as he did so long ago in ep. 206. The facial expression on Ben more than mirrored that same parallel scene when he fell in love with Michael over 2 ½ years ago.
The now infamous B/J dissolve the wedding plans scene played out much more palatable than I thought it would. The progression of the obvious over-sacrificing of these two men—each to make the other happy comes to a head (no pun intended). As always they communicate best in their bed, but this time they have both matured enough to use honest words. Neither tries to push the other over cliff. For the first time that I can remember in the series they have a somewhat lengthy discussion and speak freely and openly with one another. Their decision to cancel the wedding is clearly one that stems from a mutual, loving compromise.
Our final stop at the ever-present diner lets us share the moment when Ben & Michael ask Hunter if he would like to be their “real” son. This is a sweet scene and I love the affection that Michael demonstrates towards Hunter upon his acceptance of the offer. Michael’s desire to be the father that he wishes he had is played out beautifully and believably. This is no surprise, since during ep. 115 it was Michael who connected with David Cameron’s son more than David.
The rehearsal dinner (evidenced by the “Good-bye QAF” special) appears to be the last scene filmed. I was thrilled to see Daphne—I thought she had run away from Pittsburg. While the announcement of the wedding cancellation would seem like a disaster, the two former grooms finally seem to be genuinely happy and satisfied for the first time in this episode. I thought that the water buffalo gift from the lesbians was a hilarious throw-back to Justin’s suggestion for a wedding gift for them in ep. 211. “Lesbians love endangered species.”
Brian’s newfound resolve to discontinue sacrificing himself for others seems to have renewed his self-assured, bold and brazen nature. In his second meeting with Remsen & associate, he challenges the client to leave rather than follow through on an ad campaign that he is sure will fail. He also reassures us that it’s still “all about sex”, despite the fact that we know that for Brian love is also a new component.
The scene in which the lesbians discuss their memories in their home is as boring as it could possibly be. The only moment of interest was watching Brian demand their presence in the kitchen at the Bris.
At the ski lodge I would have bet at the beginning of the scene that we would see the renewal of Temmett—thank God we were spared. IMO these two play much better as friends than lovers. Blake’s timely arrival as Ted’s birthday gift was great. I always liked these two together and now it seems that their timing may finally be perfect. The surprise entrance of Calvin Culpepper from Hazlehurst at first seemed ridiculous until I thought about some of the issues that Cowlip might try to be bringing forth in the final moments of QAF. It suddenly dawned on me that Emmett was one of those kids that had felt isolated being gay in rural America. As Debbie said to Justin in ep. 116, “Sunshine, gay kids are everywhere, they’re just afraid to show their faces.” Here was the proof that they are not really alone.
The farewell to the Lesbians was the first time that I found myself crying during the episode. (Although many previous scenes brought a lump to my throat I was able to control the waterworks.) While I really didn’t care for the storyline or that the lesbians were moving the expressions and emotions expressed by Michael and especially Brian towards their children’s imminent departure was overwhelming. The most significant moment was when Brian says “good-bye SON”. This is the first time in the entire series that Brian has not used the term “sonny-boy”. He now accepts that he can be a good father and not repeat the mistakes of his own father who he has mimicked all throughout the series with his use of the term “sonny-boy”.
Brian & Justin’s final moments together in loft continually brought tears to my eyes. The messages these two send to one another with a look or a small phrase are beautiful. I have no idea if Cowlip could have predicted the amazing chemistry between Randy & Gale, but they certainly carried the intense emotion of QAF for 5 seasons. When Brian told Justin that he had become “the best homosexual you could possibly be” I was taken aback by the instant flashbacks to the growth these two characters had achieved as individuals and as a couple over the years. I believe Justin’s declaration of his commitment to continue staying connected to Brian was sincere and Brian’s response was to say anything to let Justin know that if he can’t follow through he would understand. Justin’s discovery of the rings, conveniently left where they would certainly be seen is the assurance Justin needs that Brian still loves and wants him in his life despite the fact that they will have to carry on with a long distance relationship for the time being. These two souls are truly united for eternity. The infinite view of them in the tailor’s mirror sends that message to the viewer. Kelly Makin directed one of the most, if not the most, beautiful love making scenes between Brian and Justin. The tenderness portrayed is evident and the love transcends their unspoken words. Lying together as their tears and sweat are so intermingled that we can not tell the difference, they seal themselves tightly together with a passionate embrace meant to last as long as they may find necessary. The image of Brian left alone and naked demonstrates the ability for him to now let in the pain that almost always accompanies the joy of feeling love. He is laid out naked for all to view. I firmly believe the message to viewers is that these two will always return to one another. Brian and Justin are kindred spirits and permanent separation, by demonstration through the seasons, is impossible. They survived separations due to bashing, Ethan and Hollywood—NYC seems tame by comparison to these earlier situations. They ALWAYS find their way back together.
Michael forces Brian to leave his self-imposed exile from the world by bringing him to Babylon. Dan Lipman has been quoted as comparing the final scenes to the series with “Gone With the Wind”. Having not seen any screeners, this comparison seemed self-inflating. After viewing the episode I did see one reasonable similarity to the end of “Gone With the Wind”. Scarlet shall go on and tomorrow will bring a new, fresh outlook for the future (in which she clearly intends to recapture her Rhett), by gaining her strength from Tara. Rather than referring to Justin’s sad departure, I now realize the comparison was referring to the fact that Brian Kinney gets his strength from Babylon. When Michael reprises, “You’ll always be young and you’ll always be beautiful --you’re Brian Kinney for fuck sake” and “some things aren’t meant to change” Michael is no longer talking about outward beauty and Brian now realizes this. His maturity is the self-awareness that he is worth loving and as the song states he deserves to be “Proud”.
The final sparkling dance scenes are reminiscent to curtain calls in the theater. We see Emmett, Ted and their dates then by way of Michael’s loving gaze we see Ben awaiting his man’s arrival. Then we focus on Michael’s good-bye kiss to Brian as he goes into Ben’s arms and finally we are left with the King of Liberty Avenue who still reigns supreme as he stands tall and self-assured. As the curtain falls Michael’s voice-over reminds us that the beat of the gay heart and soul, the “thumpa-thumpa continues”.
I loved the brief moment in Babylon at the end of the credits with the five friends embracing—especially Peter hugging Gale (and I do believe that it was the actors hugging, not the characters).
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Date: 2005-08-08 11:30 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2005-08-09 12:27 am (UTC)I did not notice that, but now that you have said it I remember reading about that. *re-watches*
Thankyou for clearing up the flashback Brian/Mikey scene. It wasn't in the clips that I got.
They ALWAYS find their way back together. I second that. I don't see this as a parting at all and I think the words and the shots that were shown prove that.
I loved the brief moment in Babylon at the end of the credits with the five friends embracing—especially Peter hugging Gale (and I do believe that it was the actors hugging, not the characters).
That wasn't in the clips I got either! Now I must count down the days till I can actually see the full episodes when SBS airs them next month.
Great commentary as always. :)
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Date: 2005-08-09 12:33 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-08-09 03:08 am (UTC)September 26th. Just a bit over a month. It is going to be a hard wait but well worth it in the end. :D
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Date: 2005-08-09 09:55 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2005-08-09 01:53 am (UTC)temporarysolitude, but I know it's gonna be okay.I'm thrilled for Teddy. I've always thought he and Blake were best suited for eachother. I never enjoyed Temmett.
Michael forces Brian to leave his self-imposed exile from the world by bringing him to Babylon...I now realize the comparison was referring to the fact that Brian Kinney gets his strength from Babylon. When Michael reprises, “You’ll always be young and you’ll always be beautiful --you’re Brian Kinney for fuck sake” and “some things aren’t meant to change” Michael is no longer talking about outward beauty and Brian now realizes this. His maturity is the self-awareness that he is worth loving and as the song states he deserves to be “Proud”.
**I LOVE this. My sister told me something just like this earlier today. (She used to be OBSESSIVE like me but then she decided to get married so it all ended:( ) So I'm so happy to see it repeated by someone who is actually inside the fandom and doesn't think I'm pathetic and nuts.
Thanks again for this. It made this very sad day much easier to deal with.
especially Peter hugging Gale (and I do believe that it was the actors hugging, not the characters).
**Me too. That was very sweet.
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Date: 2005-08-09 01:59 am (UTC)Don't be too sad, that's what fanfic is for.
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Date: 2005-08-09 04:16 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2005-08-09 04:30 am (UTC)Alright I am in love with you right now! You did the finale justice with your beautiful words and outlook...and I really couldn't love you more for it! I admit today has been a "take it all in, read my f-list and my yahoo group responses" and get strength from that! And I have! It's posts like these that make me so happy to not only read but to sit here and go THANK YOU SO MUCH! I love knowing others see it as I do! Brit
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Date: 2005-08-09 09:49 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-08-14 09:05 pm (UTC)"I loved the brief moment in Babylon at the end of the credits with the five friends embracing—especially Peter hugging Gale (and I do believe that it was the actors hugging, not the characters)."
And I thought I was the only one who got this feeling.
Yes...Peter hugged Gale...not Emmet and Brian.
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Date: 2005-08-14 11:59 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-12-10 03:48 pm (UTC)About the only thing I can think of that I had any serious disagreement with in all of your S5 recaps is the idea that Lindsay shouldn't have said anything to Brian about the magazine article on Justin's artwork. I *might* agree that she should have kept it to herself if Simon's challenge to Justin, to come to New York, had been something he'd said in a private letter to her (and I'd definitely agree if it had been something in a private letter to Justin), but this was a magazine article. Something Brian was bound to find out about sooner or later, and I just hate the idea of him finding out about it after the wedding, then spending the rest of his life feeling like he'd held Justin back. IMO, he needed to know about, and he and Justin needed to talk about it, before they went through with the wedding. I just didn't get the sense from that scene that Lindsay was trying to rip them apart, so much as that she was trying to make sure that they were both happy, and that she believed that meant them each having all the facts before making such an important decision as getting married.
There were a few other minor things here and there that I disagreed on, but for the most part, your episode comments were a lot like the comments I made in my own episode posts.
There are a couple of things in this one commentary that I just totally love, and that I'd never noticed before. Well, one I didn't notice and one I hadn't even heard about.
I never noticed the way they filmed the scene with the mirrors, and how it showed them together into infinity. That is just such an amazing observation! I've always focused more on the fact that Brian kept the rings and left them out so that Justin would know it as the ultimate proof that they'll always be together, but that mirror thing is almost better, because the ring thing is about whether the characters believe they'll always be together, whereas the mirror thing is about whether CowLip believes they will be, and it's clear from this that the answer is "YES!"
The other thing is the Gone With the Wind analogy, which I hadn't heard before because during the season I went out of my way to avoid anything that might be a spoiler, and that included anything any of the people involved with the show had to say. So I never heard that comment before, but I really like your take on it, about how Babylon is Brian's "Tara", and how that's where he goes to regain his strength. What I've always taken away from that final scene is how much I loved seeing Brian finally being able to dance by himself, without any tricks or booze or drugs; how he seemed to be happy in his own skin without needed to hide behind any of his usual crutches. I loved the scene based on that just by itself, but your "Tara" comment has really added something to it for me and made me love it even more.
Okay, back to working on my challenges now. Or, possibly, back to staring at my screen and NOT adding any words to the page. :D
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Date: 2005-12-11 04:30 am (UTC)While I'm having fun doing the series overviews, episode 513 was painful to review on many levels. It took several viewings (which was painful in and of itself) to be able to analyze the episode without letting my emotions go berserk.
I found comfort in the mirror scene in the dressing room. While it's something I learned about in terms of directing scenes, and the stylistic significance of its meaning, when I was in college, I'm afraid that it was somewhat subtle for those watching only once.
I'm glad you found the Tara analogy grounding. I have to admit that I was VERY spoiled for S5. However, I made sure I only looked at the written words. (I promised my daughter--my viewing partner that I'd watch the eps. for the first time with her and she was totally unspoiled.) The Gone With the Wind analogy had bothered me until I watched the ep. and then it made sense. I initially thought they were refering to Rhett leaving and saying, "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn." But then I realized that the focus was demonstrating where Brian gets his strength to regroup and go forward to face a hopeful future.
BTW, I loved that Brian kept the rings--that was just further reinforcement that they would be tied together in the future and that although he couldn't say it, Brian used the rings to admit his commitment to Justin.
Thanks, again, for reading. The series overviews (written very recently so you may have already read them) are all in my memories or in back journal entries.
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Date: 2005-12-11 05:26 am (UTC)Writing my thoughts on 513 was painful for me too, but really only on one level -- it was the last episode and I knew, once I watched it, that would be it. And the way I wrote my episode thoughts (which I didn't really start doing in detail until 504) was that I watched each scene then stopped and commented on it -- not a recap, exactly, more just my thoughts on what had happened so far while I was still unspoiled for everything that I hadn't seen yet. So, for the last few episodes, I'd watch and comment on one or two scenes, then I'd have to stop because I wanted to make it last as long as possible.
Anyway, if you have any interest in reading my episode comments, or any of my other QAF meta, you can find it all here.
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Date: 2005-12-11 12:00 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-02-15 07:58 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-05-30 07:38 pm (UTC)The wonderful Kelly Makin directed this very important finale episode.
I don't usually check the director for a TV episode, but he was my favorite of the QAF directors.
At the Human Rights rally Michael sees the writing on the wall when his mother and friends are moved to the back of the room to surrender their seats to “stepford gays”.
It was a bit of an anvil, but I thought it was a nice contrast to him and Dr. Dave at the Senator's dinner and, as you said, fit well with his speech for Ben's class. Political statements do not have to be in oppposition to characterization.
They survived separations due to bashing, Ethan and Hollywood—NYC seems tame by comparison to these earlier situations. They ALWAYS find their way back together.
That is pretty much my view.
I loved the brief moment in Babylon at the end of the credits with the five friends embracing—especially Peter hugging Gale (and I do believe that it was the actors hugging, not the characters).
I remember debating with myself rather to post on my LJ, "Anyone who watches QAF should watch past the credits" or if that constituted a spoiler.
I either never heard the Gone With the Wind" comment or don't remember it. That's interesting.
I wrote my 513 here if you are interested.
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Date: 2006-05-30 09:16 pm (UTC)I thought the politics was quite heavy-handed in the Mel dept. and felt it was over the top. If they wanted to give a nod to Toronto they could have used it as the "gold standard" for the campaign against Prop 14.
We are definitely in the same ballpark. My only difference is that IMO I'm quite sure that B/J breaking up could not be an option because it would negate the value of the previous 5 years build up.
The Gone With the Wind was an off-hand reference made by either C or L.
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Date: 2006-05-31 12:30 am (UTC)I consider it the least likely, but I tend to list all alternatives.
I thought the politics was quite heavy-handed in the Mel dept. and felt it was over the top. If they wanted to give a nod to Toronto they could have used it as the "gold standard" for the campaign against Prop 14.
From what I have heard since it sounds like it was heavy handed politics although I would have preferred the nod to Toronto.
I hope you feel better.
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Date: 2006-06-20 10:36 pm (UTC)I love you and you made me cry...that is all.
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Date: 2006-06-20 10:41 pm (UTC)Episode 513
Date: 2006-10-01 08:17 pm (UTC)Thank you, and I am now going to look for more of your writings.
Re: Episode 513
Date: 2006-10-01 11:07 pm (UTC)I've written overview of several eps in S5 and Series overviews that encompass the entire run. All these are in my memories and are open. I hope you enjoy them. :D
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Date: 2007-09-13 08:31 pm (UTC)Yeah. I so agree.
It's been more than two years now. Still I choke up on tears whenever I'm reminded or rewatching this brilliant scene. Ficition or not; Brian and Justin will always remain part of my life forever.
Thank you!
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Date: 2007-09-13 08:48 pm (UTC)Feel free to read any of the others. I also wrote some series commentaries on different subjects.